Tithing is not for God. They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. Although they were a great deal more pious than the Church of England they still practiced most of its beliefs including infant baptism. G.L. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. There were however, many Baptists who loved the Word of God and held true to it and refused to abandon teaching the New Testament. all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. If someone wanted to Tithe down to a tenth of all they owned & sell or give value of itIm sure they could. I dont see a thing wrong with it; He didnt make us to be wooden. It is difficult to document these congregations because they were rarely in the spot light of history. The Independent Fundamental Baptist church could be defined as a cult given the multiple definitions of a cult and the characteristics of the IFB. CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. than we pray that they will get right with God Hi, in your opening statement use say that God has not party with them, those who operate under any systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. S.J. If I was wearing a sponge Bob square pants costume while leading worship I would probably be asked to change into something more appropriate. John 10:10, We believe that Jesus is the only one who can reconcile us to God. This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. About. It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. It holds high the saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament and an unwavering commitment to carrying out the Great Commission, that is, to teach everywhere the truth of Gods Word. (I Corinthians 15:1-4) Further, if a person is truly saved and strictly follows the principles of the New Testament he will in a true sense be a Baptist whether he uses the name or not. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. Knolleys was under deep conviction of the need to preach the New Testament and follow its example as ones rule of faith. These people give Jesus and Christianity overall a black eye every time they go to a military funeral or any other event they have absolutely no respect for. The idea the bread and wine (grape juice) in the Lords Supper becoming the physical body of Christ when taken is a Roman Catholic teaching that Protestants only changed slightly. WHAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHURCH? So I still think Just about every Church has Strict dress Standards whether they know it or not. If other will share. I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. I can relate i was in a IFB church, glad to be out. Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. Of all my favorite things to do now that Im out of that situation, is raise my hands and praise my precious Saviour when He stirs my heart. Blessings & againIm so sorry you were hurt like that you & your family. The charge recorded against him was that he broached and divulged new and dangerous opinions against the authority of the magistrates. But anyway he says that if those folks go to Hell, that their blood would be on your hands. Church Directory Sub-pages. 6.) For example inn Isle of Wight county in southeastern Virginia, Baptist preachers were taken to Nansamond River, nearly drowned by Episcopalians to show their contempt for Baptists beliefs in immersion and their rejection of infant Baptism. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. Lynne While I agree with most of your comment, I would be very interested in finding where Jesus teaches about tithing in the bible. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. I, for one, am glad you wont post here again after that comment, but I hope you will at least read this, although Im not holding my breath. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. Ivor Church is the only one I know of where you can virtually come as you are. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. The church I left about 2 years ago had very nasty tracts in the back of the church that said horrible things about other translations, calling them perversions and so forth and actually saying outright lies about other translations. They dont tell us what to wear more than any other church. I chose to focus on the doctrine of separation as typically understood by Independent Baptists (I was one). Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. I usually look fwd to these. Thanks and may God bless. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. Tithing was never supposed to be for the maintenance of the house of God. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. 78. Listening To The Critics A Response To James Ach, 56. Shortly after that, because of his doctrinal preaching, he was forced to leave Salem and went for a short time to Plymouth. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. That means every church service must provide a time for people to come to Christ. Every activity, every thing we do, needs to uplift King Jesus, and it must allow for winning precious people to our Lord. They will not participate, on a church basis, or any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Something else to note here, what were they tithing? It was horrible. I can certainly forgive you. The grace economy is a much superior way to live a life pleasing to God. 1:6-10, 1 Tim. Drinkers go to the next town to buy their drinks. Our lives reflect the light of Christ. They were just outside of the resort area on the beach at night and were stopped by a group of policemen. Thank you for visiting Fundamental.org Home to the KJV Church directory! (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). Tithing I believe is liberty. I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: These things I write unto you that ye may know that ye have salvation. These are the mistakes one finds when following man-made theology. My brother attends an IFB church. But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. Have been over twenty years, and have attended probably ten or more IFB churches here in Ohio and elsewhere, and I have never met an IFB pastor who didnt include scriptures from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, in his sermons. History records the members of this Baptist church went back to England or remained in Holland and joined Mennonites. There he became the pastor of the Puritan church. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. Independent churches have no organized organization over them in authority. He then begins crying, Im not an expert at body language, but it certainly seemed contrived, preachertainment some would call it. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. We are not under law. Filter Churches. Dress codes are not the problems. KJB. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. Fundamental Baptist use the name in its strictest sense as meaning holding to the fundamentals of the New Testament teachings without error. Please see the Tithing Deception and Tithe 10% or Get Punished articles for more information. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. But if your wife and daughters are dressing immodestly to draw attention to their bodies, theyre not dressing in a Christ-honoring way Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. He continued to read the New Testament, and became fully aware that infant baptism, sprinkling for baptism, and allowing unsaved people to be members of the church was not Scriptural. I am a former fundamental baptist member, I would like to request any assistance on clarification regarding the contradictions of doctrine of Paul and Jesus. We use our monetary resources alone. Thus, resolving to follow the Lords commands in truth, in March, 1639 he formed the first Baptist church on American soil. It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. SOme Calvarly CHapels Im sure are good felloships. It is my conviction that it is not possible to trace an unbroken line of Baptist churches from Christ until today. The natural question then to ask is, What makes a person a true Baptist? In examining the history of Baptists and determining what makes up a genuine and true Baptist, five distinctives should be noted. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. Robert Fry Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception, 75. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. Greetings, This was the birth of Protestant churches. Questions/comments: Pastor Brewer's email: Wprophet@aol.com. Thomas Gould, died in 1675 an untimely death, partially because of his having his health broken by several long imprisonments. Theres no recourse. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. You either comply or you are thrown out. Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. p.s. fundamental, Baptist, church. Examine any church in light of these five distinctive it will be shown if they are true historical Baptist congregation which is synonymous with what is a true biblical New Testament church. Thier is nothing harmful in regard sto relating to other denominations if ny that you mean fellowships that are Christian. Greg, Its derived from two possible origins: 1. If your church does teach the following then watch out, you are probably in a manipulating extreme IFB church situation. Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word officer is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277). (man of God). The only power above the pastor is God, and Gods silence seems to imply endorsement and collaboration. HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. Hello, Failure to pay the tax brought the wrath of the civil and church leaders and people were publicly beaten, placed in stocks, fined, imprisoned, and banished from the colony by the civil authorities under the direction of the Puritan church officials. Certainly we are not responsible for people we never have an opportunity to witness to. But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. Off the top of my head, I can think of 7-8 divorced couples in our church right now (and we only have around 150 in regular attendance) First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. Some Baptists such as the Landmark Baptist and those often referred to as HWY 3 NW. NoI simply believe we are not required to tithe (like keeping law) but it is a good thing to if one wants to. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. May God bless Bob. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times I love the way David Hayword (aka The nakedpastor) explains some of the problem. They, however, will only fellowship or cooperate in joint meetings with churches of like belief. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. We dress however we want, however, my Pastor chides me in good nature, because I frequently wear black clothing, but he is not being critical. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. We should stand out because we are different. In the many books on church history which make up the bibliography for this paper, there is not one recorded incident of a Baptist church beginning founded out of Roman Catholicism. It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. https://www.victorybaptistharvey.com victorybaptistharvey@gmail.com. 14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14 see how silly that way of using scripture is? God does not lead His children by rules. Im not sure about this one. 2 talking about this. There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. May The Lord bless us, and keep us: The Lord make his face shine upon us, and be gracious unto us: The Lord lift up his countenance upon us, and give us peace. 2 . As many theologians saywe can agree to disagree on some things but when it comes to the Fundamental of the Christian Faithbased on by the way what God says in the Word, then thats when one should draw the line b/c its no longer a matter of Christians in various fellowships & preferances that are allowable but then becomes a matter of even being a Christian at all (like Mormonisn, Jehovahs Wittness, Catholics, etc). 2. preaching from the Old King James Bible that you "must be born again" and "Jesus and the Bible come first". Bottom line, tithing was commanded for Jews under Law. You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. The business is listed under baptist church category. A storm of persecution broke out because these Baptist preached what the Puritans called damnable errors. Most of the members of the church were fined or imprisoned or both, at one time or another. Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). Not once in the New Testament do you find even a hint that a church was legitimate because it was founded by Paul or called itself by a particular name. Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices. Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. The point is Jesus not only did not condem it but He said it should not have been left undone. Our Pastor teaches that Baptism does not save us and is no a requirement of salvation. Sure the new testament is important but so is the old testament. America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. Shall we offer excuses that were only human? Enter keyword. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist? The best illustration of this point can be made this way. If it isnt to much trouble please explain your assertion. You know, when you really dig into many religions you find much of mans tradition. I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. We are friendly Fundamental Independent Baptists, k ind-of like the church your grandparents might have once attended. In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowshipsmore common in the Northas well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in. Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. Places Near Chandler, AZ with Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches. http://www.bible-truth.org/fundbapt.htm. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. @greg The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. Also, when only what we do for Christ will last would include contributing to kingdom endeavors. I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. Its ugly and frustrating. This group is to help Pastors locate KJV IFB Churches. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. Is this really what youre doing here? The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. Today we are excited to announce Independent Baptist Churches. . I attend an IFB church. In answer your assumptions about me. Calvary Chapels do not believe that baptism is necessary for membership in a local assembly. I believe every one should realize that all is God & if a saint desires to put a tenth to honor God & furthering His kingdom or whatver portion as He desiresthat s a noble act between God & Himself. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. 4. Because Knolleys refused to baptize infants and preached against it he was banned from the colony by the famous Puritan governor Cotton Mather. VICTORY BAPTIST CHURCH. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. A tithe was to be given by Jews under law to a levitical priest and as far as I can tell, it was always a product from the land, be it animals or some sort of plant life. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. If you dont already, try it some time. Someone, somewhere has hurt you. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? He strongly believed in separation of church and state and upheld the principles of soul liberty. Lynne, either. Seeking to be faithful to the Word of God, the early Bible church movement sought to provide fellowship, counsel, and cooperation. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. Many Protestant denominations still hold to the writings of their church fathers as a source of church doctrine and have never accepted the Bible as their sole source of teachings for their faith and practice, which is a foundational teaching of Catholicism. Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. We believe in salvation by grace through faith as described in Ephesians 2:8-9. It is well to note that not all Virginians felt this way. I should have or you should have? The bulk of your comments were about the historical background of the Church of Christ movement. It is well to note the Pilgrims were also Puritans, and Puritans were Protestants who had left the Church of England. For example, Paul wrote letters to the churches, each being intended for one church, and then other churches used them and later they were accepted as fully inspired parts of Scripture. This is Bible 101 stuff. 16:18, concerning preserving the institution of the local church, that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Doctrinally sound New Testament churches have always existed from the time of Christ and the Apostles until today. Im trying to figure out if it was worse of me for not using scripture to answer your question, which btw is not a question that required scripture, or yanking a handful of verses completely out of context as you did. The cops accused them of urinating in the water. We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. Right down to exactly a tenth. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. Would you agree with me on this? My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. The Baptist bases his authority solely on the Bible itself. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html. I am having a hard time figuring you out. I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. Sounds like maybe you are in a pretty good church. Personally, I try to for the most part give as I think God is pleased incl supporting Evangelism Ministrys like Compassion (that not only care for childrens physical need but also spirtual vs. the formerly known as Christian Childrens Fund now I believe under the name Child Aide, mainly becaus eCompassion confesses to be Christian & I believe to support church endeavors. It is not historically correct to identify Baptists as Catholic protestors who left the Roman church. KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . Any idiot can do that. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Google Maps shows it located in a modest strip mall in Jacksonville, Florida, alongside an arcade, a . And that homeless man that shows up every few weeks may have truly accepted Christ in the past, but events of life led to his downward spiral. When a congregation results from the preaching of the Gospel, authenticating that congregation as a New Testament church rests solely on its doctrine and practice.not in its affiliation. It was almost like watching 12yr olds trying to run a corporation. 451 Likes, 8 Comments - Spencer Smith (@spencersmith312) on Instagram: "I was saved at 18 at an independent, fundamental baptist church. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. We hope it will be a blessing to you. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. I would either be kicked out or asked to put on something to wear. Later in history, around 600 AD, Austin, Catholic monk, was sent to Britain by Pope Gregory the Great. I think that point was already addressed. Again adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. The IFBs always point fingers at the Catholics, but the Baptist faith is loaded with the traditions of men, I guess its kind of hard to escape. These churches appear to have been baptistic and remained sound until Austin, the Catholic monk brought Catholicism to the Isles in 597 AD. KJV Church Directory. It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. 77. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. Visit Pinterests profile on Pinterest. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things.
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