Deer Bear Moose Wolves Fisher Mountain Lions. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. Peter Biello: Wow. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. Sam what's the incentive for the government to deny allegedly. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. That's too big for Bobcat. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Can we go to the site. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. I tracked cats and all the western states. While State Denies Mtn Lions are in NH, Numerous Sightings Say We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. Sam Evans-Brown: I just want to say the bang and word you just heard I think to me exemplifies why it's really hard to come up with with positive you know 100 percent certain evidence that you've that what you've got is a mountain lions. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. Mountain Lion Population By State: 2023 Data [Statistics] And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. Early in the morning. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. Thanks for taking my call. Tim Yeah. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. What do you think that. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Thank you. We'll push great photos to the front page. We're not in the woods. Phone number 1 800. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. So let's let's go to the phones. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. Mike thanks for your call. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. New Hampshire's Mountain Lions | NH Wildlife Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. Or years or so. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. Your support makes this news available to everyone. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. Thanks for your call. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. Caller: Are probably. I'll send it to you. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. David Erler says some of them probably have. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department I mean they're a survivor. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. You don't know what's going on. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. Mountain lions live in the state. Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. By Eric Orff. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. Peter Biello: Oh okay. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. Yeah I did. Caller: I do. And why would they what. It's bigger but bigger and better world. The book MAMMAL TRACKS & SIGN by Mark Elbroch has pictures of mountain lion scat found at a multiple beaver kill. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. Sam. It's good to talk to you. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Love hearing these stories. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. The Lions of New Hampshire: MD44 Links. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. And it was unmistakable. for some excitement. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? brings a lot of. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. Reports without physical evidence are not dismissed, however Fish and Game cannot verify a sighting report without physical evidence. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor So hey, just me shooting from the hip, maybe there are a couple mountain lions skulking about. On a dirt road. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. Post your sightings and NH photos here! So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. Saddleback Mountain Lions N.H. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting - NECN Windham Life and Times - November 15, 2019 Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. There was a lot of DNA evidence. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. Think you've seen a mountain lion? That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. Are there mountain lions in New Hampshire? : r/newhampshire - reddit And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction - YouTube From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. John is calling from Bennington. 1957. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. So now what's going on. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. So. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. WMUR NH Chronicle Mountain Lions in NH Part I and Part II. But if people are still seeing mountain lions, why is the state and federal government seeking to COVER IT UP!? We'll hear from her periodically through the show. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Peter Biello: Ok. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. So do they. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. Yes. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. Gap Mountain Lions Club Think You Saw A Mountain Lion in N.H.? - New Hampshire Public Radio You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. Thanks for calling. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. So what a neat experience. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. I just want to tell you a story that I read. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. 1,470 likes. That's pretty elaborate. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. Current conditions in New Hampshire would support a mountain lion, according to Tate, as forests have returned, allowing for prey species to become more prevalent. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. For over 38 years the Saddleback Mountain Lions have offered people a chance to give back to their community. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. Some are included in lists of mountains, such as the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC) list of the Hundred Highest peaks of New England, or the . There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. She is renowned for tracking. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Can you look into this picture. It's you know I recognized their report and. Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. Thanks very much. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game.
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