Now you know how it works, I will neither recommend or not Sale. Genesis 1:1-5, 26-31 I Corinthians 8:1-6 John 1; 8; 14 Colossians 1; 2 Personally, I was sorry to see the mogas go, because I bought it It's confusing. When valves are beginning to stick, it will To mix with fuel, you put six ounces of additive for every 15 gallons of fuel. If you're only driving it a few hundred miles a year, it'll outlast your great-great-grandchildren. Detroit girl, 11, is left with brain trauma and staples in her head after child abuser teacher threw metal hockey stick at her. I have a 2010 2500 with a 5.7 Hemi with 200k and no oil leaks and does not burn oil, (knock on wood). OKthis is to settle a bet. I was more referring to the "sky is falling" warnings that were circulating when "leaded" fuel (not much lead left by then) finally disappeared. What power steering fluid is compatible with 89021184? And it was back to working again, just like that. Think about the whole scenerio . Why does this happen? THIS WAS AT 95K. Robert Parker used Marvel Mystery Oil to reduce the buildup of lead There in crank case a week or two before oil change. by the five-gallon jug to use in my lawnmower, chainsaw, and snowblower. The automotive gasoline option. 72 octane is the highest grade of gasoline that can be Some people say its great because it helps clean your engine and keep everything running smoothly. This was a hot topic in the late 80s and early 90s. had. Lower vapor pressures reduce emmisions of VOC in storage facilities and fuel tanks and fuels with high vapor pressures are not needed in modern high pressure fuel delivery systems. Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by lucky6600, Dec 1, 2010. high manifold pressures the wartime engines were operating at, Tetra Ethyl The thing is, most old engines have been rebuilt with hardened valve seats. See Also: Lucas Vs Seafoam: Head-To-Head Comparison. The Marvel Mystery is more friendly in the budget since you can buy larger quantities at a lower price. TEL had been identified chemically in the mid-19th century, but its antiknock. Won't hurt but you don't need it. MMO is basically mineral oil, thinner, and a dash of a chemical soap. Unleaded was just coming in on the Australian market then and I was told it did the same. Deutsch; English; Franais; Portugus I can't say if MMO enhances the fuel upon firing, but MMO may well aid sealing of valves, and rings at that critical moment when added rationale to fuel. Using a top oil like Marvel is fine for keeping carbon buildup on the stems. Spray Marvel Mystery oil around the spark plug to ensure a good covering. -- Daniel Ford, by Robert Parker (Piper Cub Builders List). You could probably get similar results using soapy water, though rust would be a concern. It is the "interesting" engines that may need more protection but few of these are driven often and mostly use race/AV gas. Like Fox News says,"I report and you As a moderately priced precaution, I add 4 oz of Marvel Mystery Oil, and 1 oz of Alemite CD-2 for each 10 gallons of gas. MMO What does marvel mystery oil do? Same color, same smell. Joined: Feb 27, 2010 Oddometer: 2,245 Location: CT USA. Moreover, the product is compatible with either full-synthetic or synthetic blend oil formulations. These are all question. You don't need it, but if you trust your mechanic then there's no harm. Mystery Oil also improved gas mileage and minimized engine wear. This engine still wears it's factory paint and decals so I'm assuming that it has never been apart. Every time I have ever broken into or had work done on one of my engines, they have been clean and free of sludge. Ninety-five percent of customers gave it a four-star rating or above.This MMO received a lot of good comments from users. I have used Marvel many times over the years. Going on 6 months with no awful clicking noises. This oil was very useful in older aircraft engines to scavenge lead deposits. I HIGHLY recommend this product.-----Greg. So when the pump in the tank of the wife's Voyager started to hum its death tune, I poured a pint of Marvel in the tank for dungz and giggles, figured I'd be dropping the tank soon enough anyway. creates great clouds of smoke, and extends engine a life for a few more Remember too, 2-3 ounces per 10 gallons is enough. Many believe that when used correctly, it can do good things in your cars. which again left me at the far end of the runway without power. It happened quite a bit back in those days. -- Chevvy was most notorious for this rating the "racers only" Z-28 302 at 290hp and the "public" SS-350 at 295 hp. i have a 2001 astro van 6 cylinder vortec with 250thou on it.. i bought it a year old .. an runs like a spanked race horse.. use marvel EVERY fill up.. no knocks an pings ,, just flat out gets it..and with this gas today ,, corn gas junk,, you better use something for to help.. its the engine destroyer..i even use a 1/2 quart in my oil at oil changes.. Nice i really enjoyed reading your blogs. Marvel Mystery Oil, an additives found in Marvel Mystery Oil, can extend the life of your vehicle's engine. fouling syndrome. Marvel mystery oil,the idea behind it was and still is,it is basically a cleaner,it removes sludge from lifters and helps to soften the carbon built up between the rings.We used to use a quart of. venerable taildraggers. Are cars nowadays wanting for top cyl lubrication with unleaded gas? Yes, lead lubricates the upper cylinder head, but just because you use unleaded fuel doesn't necessarily mean your car lacks lubrication. Aluminized head retards build up of deposits and chrome plated stem reduces scuffing and wear. Powered by Invision Community, Lead additive in low-mile, original SBC engine from 1966, TEL is a fuel additive, first being mixed with gasoline, in the 1920s ( NOT 1950's) as a patented octane rating. When piston engines passed by the wayside in the military, Shell Oil bought Anyone who has used them knows they work and has had a good experience with them. The product will help release any corrosion that is causing the spark plug to seize. I found at the time there is a simple fact relating to these devices. Also does Marvel mystery oil work? Benzene actually used to be in gas as an octane booster (it was also used as an aftershave for a while - which is scary considering how carcingenic it is). Another way is to run about three tanks of mo-gas and One of the hot rodding magazines (probably Popular Hot Rodding) built some engines and ran some tests. I think they still have a place in the modern day engine as well as the older ones. The series ran for five seasons on CBS, lasting 158 half-hour episodes, all filmed in black-and-white.Creator/writer Carl Reiner had told the cast from the beginning that . The engine is very quiet and responsive. Slippery stuff! You know, MMO smells just like scarlet balsam, which is an old timey wound treatment for horses. So either don't worry about it or fit a tin canister just to be sure And for those about to post that I don't know what I'm talking about, that it is 'snake oil', save your breath. A petroleum distillate (hydrotreated heavy naphthenic) is included, as is a petroleum distillate (Stoddard solvent). Copyright 2023, Antique Automobile Club of America. Bob's article is followed by an email I received from Terry Lutz, expanding on Marvel and the alternative TCP. Marvel Mystery Oil and Lead substitute. Period. I think perhaps time to add some to this computer.. Matt is worried about ruining the Wag's engine - I told him to just run gas in it. Others say a bit of Marvel Mystery oil in each tank is a good idea. MMO isno mystery. The original oil enhancer AND fuel treatment cleans the engine from the inside out, increases fuel economy, and protects against temperature extremes. OR THE CROWING OF THE NOBLE COCK BENEVENTANO. I wonder if that's not the "secret ingredient" in MMO. He demonstrated by dipping his finger in it and in 5 seconds it had evaporated and left his fingerprint white. My experience with MMO.2007 Duramax diesel developed a knock that sounded almost as loud as a wrist pin going bad. As usual, the AACA forum has irrelevant-facted the issue and over-analyzed it to the point of rendering any sort of conclusion impossible. AMC must have hardenned them deeper. does. In all parts of the world many high-spirited revolts from rascally despotisms had of late been knocked on the head; many dreadful casualties, by locomotive and steamer, had likewise knocked hundreds of high-spirited travelers on the head (I lost a dear friend in one of them); my own private affairs were also full of despotisms . Water does a better job of heat transfer, and it doesn't smoke. EXCLUSIVE: Why this pro-gun Colorado Democrat thinks he can beat Lauren Boebert in a rematch: Businessman Adam Frisch criticizes his own party for abandoning him and rural Americans - and says . A mechanic I know says to put a little of this in. I do know it will help when lifters start to be lazy and I drive ithard, 50-55 mph on the highway, lots of days 500 or 600 miles in all types of weather, winter and summer. Circling back tothe original question "low-mile, original SBC engine from 1966". Sorry if this has been discussed before (I know it has been). After a few such experiences, the airport put that are most common use MMT and are more like an octane booster. (If you Well, substitutes for leaded fuel, here's something I've researched, as I own an older car. I just knew I had thrown a rod! Anyone want to suggest that's a bad idea? The Dick Van Dyke Show is an American television sitcom starring Dick Van Dyke as Rob Petrie, Mary Tyler Moore as Laura Petrie, Morey Amsterdam as Buddy Sorrell, Rose Marie as Sally Rogers, and Richard Deacon as Mel Cooley.. Started it up and of course it smoked for a little while, but I couldn't believe how much better the thing ran. | Reading Proust. 4/ Marvel Mystery Oil Vs Seafoam: Which Is Better? Avgas contains lead, probably have enough lead without adding more. Valve seat recession does occur if you are hammering unhardened seats while drag racing, but for a even bigger demise of the seat occurs in road racing or the poor guy that climbs the Questa grade, Grape Vine, Sepulveda Grade, or the Conejo grade every day on his way to work. More sharing options. This additive also enhances the vehicles fuel economy and minimizes the noise produced by the fuel injectors. All kinds of power that I didn't have before. I DRIVE my 1954 and 1941 Cadillacs, sometimes cross-country, and at modern Interstate Highway speeds (so as not to get run over by 18-wheelers and Soccer Moms reading their iPads). However, Kano Kroil Oil performs faster than PB Blaster by providing better lubrication. Do not worry yourself into an early grave. The trick on a 65 hp Continental is to take the primer One website has listed Marvel Mystery oil, 3 in 1 oil, and mineral oil as good substitutes basically because they are cheaper than sewing machine oil. cut-off time, for first use. This improves your gas mileage by increasing the . 1100 to 1200 RPM. You have a RPM drop that is excessive, and run the engine It also helps lubricate and clean cylinders, pistons, and intake valves. It was thought that since the automakers were induction hardening valve seats in the unleaded era that it must be necessary. They said that it caused oil leak in his Chevy Silverado 2004. This can help him share his expertise and experience with others and learn more from them. Probably not an issue with racing, however. Not to be confused with the Benzites, eh, Ms. Edmonds? I use an additive (CD-32)in my Judge with #12 heads. As Matt said it may not be necessary but doesn't hurt. Thank you. lead build up and fouling of spark plugs, along with valve The biggest problem with E-10 crap fuel is the hydroscopic action of the alcohol. I am no idiot, I have had the experience and it was a properly measured and documented approach I took. Yeah, anything can fail, but there is no way I would take that engine apart because of the valve seats. An average passenger car tank is 15 gallons so you would add 6 ounces at every fill-up. erosion incidents, reported on some lower compression engines. the engine passages and crevices and hydraulic lifters, and stores it Marvel Mystery oil, on the other hand, has been meticulously developed as the ideal oil for rubber parts. Marvel Mystery Oil is a blend of mineral oils, which are a byproduct of the fractional distillation process used to make gasoline. I have wondered what adding MMO does to your 5w-20 as well. Well, Kano Kroil Penetrating Oil is a fine substitute to use instead of PB Blaster. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I had a lot of trouble with my snow blower this year. It was going to be extraordinarily expensive to do it all at once, changing tanks, pumps, and refineries, so they convinced the government that there were all these poor schlubs out there whose cars were going to self-destruct without the "cushioning effect" of the precious lead. Like several other similar products that date back several decades Marvel Mystery Oil seems to be a legitimate detergent additive that will reduce varnish and gumming in an engine. you might want to try some ZDDP ( zink) the new oils don't have enough zi nk for the old motors..search it on goggle for more info. Well, there you have it, that engine already has induction hardened valve seats, so no worries, DRIVE ON! The old timers would use it the fifth one says let me check and I will get back with you. Check the compression. 5.7. But the instructors hated it, one lad especially who got It was soon discovered that it resisted detonation also and was intsrumental in the developement of more powerefull aviation engines during WW1. '66 SBCs ranged from a 195hp 283 2bbl (regular fuel) all the way to a 350 hp 327 with many stops in the middle (could get a 375 hp in 65). Instead of a 'lead substitute', try Marvel mystery oil. Added to gas it cleans and lubricates fuel injectors and carburetors, improves gasoline mileage, extends spark plug life, reduces and prevents varnish and gum build-up. gasoline ignites, it is vaporized and soaks into the carbon buildup How much MMO do you use? It can scare you, though. Ha ha! It's illegal to use on a public road for the second time! on unleaded and no additives. While some oils are suitable for use with metal parts, they do not work well with rubber components. "Mystery Oil", as it was originally called, proved to have other beneficial effects on the engine. Hi Jim, You can use regular 2 cycle engine oil or even any light weight motor oil. Tough high alloy gives extra durability. Used Marvel mystery oil on an oil change because lifters were sticking in my 94 trooper. I use MMO instead of Ed's Red for use inside the house (still have part of a gallon can). It was very popular back before detergent motor oil was invented. loosens it up and it goes out the exhaust system. However, nowhere on their website, nor in any information I have seen, is the claim that it can replace lead substitutes. Not sure if still available but have a few years supply. It only takes a few ounces of Marvels popularity soared as word spread of its effectiveness in treating all types of . I believe mine is the 225 hp version from what I'm seeing in the literature. My older brother ran an auto repair business back then and I was hanging around with other mechanicswhen I got involved withcars in the mid 60's. much of northern New England's gasoline comes arrives. Sounds like MMO might be a cheap, simple compromise if I decide to go that route. effectiveness was discovered in 1921 by the General Motors research laboratory, which had spent several years attempting to find an additive that was both highly effective and inexpensive. It had 69,000 when I got it, about 88,000 now. Interesting discussion, back in the 30's salesmen would dip there ties in tetraethyl and wave over a knocking engine which would clear up. I NO LONGER OWN IT BUT THE NEW OWNER NOW HAS 145K ON IT AND IT IS STRONG AND QUIET, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. The problem turned out to be one of those new condensers. Anyone who has never tried them will decry them and put forward all sorts of 'proof' that they cannot work. Tetra-Ethel Lead is not an octane booster either. A mechanic saw me doing that, picked up his jaw, and told me to use MMO in the oil. Both of them have a solid track record for keeping your engine system and fuel clean. Cleaning firearms with Marvel Mystery Oil? everyone was looking for a lead substitute in forum. I have a rock on my desk that protects me from tiger attack, I haven't been attacked by a tiger, therefore it works! The local airport guy said that the AVGAS has so little (ie NO oil base) and Low Lead (thus 'LL' that many people all Marvel Mystery additive (lead substitute found at every auto parts store) to lubricate the system. It's easy! Many users also stated that they would order this product again as it helps improve the fuel economy. -- Dan Ford That Marvel-ous Mystery Oil So, when it is about Marvel Mystery oil vs. Seafoam, the Marvel Mystery for around $4, Seafoam charges you double of it for the same quantity. Problem with regular Marvel Mystery Oil is that it will combine with castor oil residue and, over a period of time, form a hard red crud. AMC switched to induction hardened valve seats a little later then the other manufacturers. You can look up the MSDS sheet for what it's made of. free then up. Worse, I once had the engine quit as I was coming in for a landing, Could you share with us your experience of using this MMO in the comment box below? experience with mogas and, finally, by an email from Terry Lutz, expanding The only drawback I know of to using synthetic in older engines, is that it can make oil leaks worse. Let's end this nonsense before the cloudy waters become opaque, eh? The main thing is:Drive your truck and enjoy it. My 10.25:1 400 is kinda marginal so I add something mainly for my peace of mind. Login; Register; Espaol. This is in the 72 Wag (360). It works with both diesel and gasoline engines. Then, it fortifies the oil coating, preventing rust from forming inside your engine. If you have not had your valve seats replaced with hard seats, a lead substitute is a must. Carbon deposits will cause motor oil to burn more than usual. Para Dichlorobenzene, a precursor used in the production of chemically and thermally resistant polymers, <0.1%[2]. I also put a qt. I use MMO to store my model airplane engines. Modern gas has lot more aromatic daisy chain hydrocarbons in it and a higher Reed vapor pressure. Are available for most engines now and should be considered whenever a head come off. Thanks. Tetra-Ethel Lead is not an octane booster either. to use Marvel Mystery Oil. reserved. MARVEL Mystery Oil. I make no claims about their octane-improving qualities, but for valve seat recession they are a quick bolt on that can be moved from car to car and definitely work. I think he was right thoughthe internal explosion of the diesel fuel as it gets compressed between the main bearings would probably clean it up pretty good, it would disassemble it for me, then if I didn't die, I could rebuild it in the parking lot over the next few days (if I didn't get arrested) and it would no longer use any oil. the formula for TCP and used it for years in car gas, which was also The pickup is driven sparingly, just a few hundred miles per year, if that. Then I had a piston failure and there was some damage to a valve seat as a bit of piston ring marked it. This in turn caused increased vehicle performance and fuel economy. Just drive it on whatever gas comes out of the pump at your local gas station. "High alloy steel inlet valves. In addition, Marvel Mystery oil helps you to avoid unnecessary rubber parts repairs or replacements. I had to dismantle it, clean them with bleach and then reassemble it. Petersen's STC allows for mixing of av-gas and mo-gas. No matter how many times it's beat over the head, it keeps coming back to life . about sixty miles from Portland, Maine, which happens to be the port where What about the ones that haven't? It's more cleaner than oil. The first pick in our list is the MM13R. DO NOT use it in vehicles equipped with catalytic converters. TEL vaporized and the excess pushed out the exhaust, and this My old-school mechanic tells me I should be running a lead-additive so it's hard to know who/what to believe. After posting Mr. Parker's article, I had a personal experience with I thought I had successfully purged all that stuff from my brain like a bad dream. yeah mmo oil and diesel kleen is supposed ot be the ticket to better mpg and well i ran the combo in my last tank i didn't measure just splashed it in and dumped a hole thing of diesel kleen in the gray bottle and my milage went from 15.5 to 18+ don't belive me fine don't. i will run w/o it and w/ it a few times to get a better feel as well as measureing it out to see but all i know is im . It was at this time the government (EPA) started talks about banning it, that actually happened in 1996 although living in Los Angeles county leaded fuel was essentially gone by 1980. A decrease in friction will also improve your gas mileage and engine efficiency. If you drove 100 k miles a year at full throttle then I would say you need hard valve seats, and you do not! I fitted another head which had good seats and valves, freshly out of the machine shop. How many of us taxi at this RPM? and a lot of people are using it. Just finished my third overhaul, this time I had to replace the guides for the first time and fix 15 cracks in the block. Added to fuel: At every fill-up add 4 ounces of Marvel Mystery Oil to every 10 gallons of gas or diesel. Lead was added to gasoline to deposit a metallic cushion and lubricating film on exhaust valves way back in the early days of auto and aviation engines. You aren't driving your truck for racing (drag or track), pounding up steep hills day after day or abusing it in any way. When I bought my AMC Javelin/AMX 302(8:1 compression "smog motor") in the spring of 72, it came with hardened seats. As it turns out, the valve seat recession occurred in engines that were run hard (such as towing and drag racing), and in ordinary street engines not so much. that is the real testament .. Didn't even have cloudy gasoline in the carb. This oil keeps rubber parts such as hoses, seals, gaskets, and wire well lubricated and prevents them from drying out. This site sets no cookies, but the Mailchimp sign-up service - It makes a beautiful molecule - the famous "benzene ring". ", "Long life exhaust valves. However, I wonder what adding oils to the fuel may do if the engine is prone to detonation or ping, as if your engine "uses oil", that oil introduced into the combustion process usually actually increases detonation and/or ping. To answer I'd need to know which SBC is being discussed. All your true octane booster that do any thing are toxic , highly toxic , which why they took them out of gasoline and will not sell you any that does much good. Also if it did help protect the valves, how would you know? Ethanol evaporates pretty easily , especial the more you have and older it gets. As a result, your car will have to work harder to generate enough power to crank the engine. Posted September 2019. Finally I took off the spark plug and sprayed MMO into the hole at what appeared to be the exhaust valve. The pump hushed and is still in there2 monthslater. More than that, Marvel Mystery oil can lubricate engine areas that regular motor oil can not reach. If you ever do get severe valve seat recession, the cure is to install inserts. As for using a lead substitute, I don't know how anything that wasn't actually lead could be expected to have the same properties. It contains additives that help lubricate and protect the engine. OTH if snake oil makes you happy use it. So in the end nothing is needed. I do the same for the '65 Corvair, '37 Buick Roadmaster, and '88 Corvette. AMC engines never really have issues with valve recession as they used good materials in their heads. Marvel Mystery Oil is an automotive product of the American Marvel Oil Company, [1] founded by Burt Pierce in 1923. I have had issues with a lot of chevies after a valve job took the crappy induction hardenning away. After a highway run and cool down, I started the car and a carbon dome broke loose in the head and started bouncing about the cylinder for a few seconds. The oil will soften the carbon buildup in the heads and on the stem side of the valves. Hampton Airfield 7B3 is located on the New Hampshire seacoast, So after a year or two, the STCs combustion, there is a chemical reaction between TCP and the lead in the Should one use a 5w-30 or 5w-40 if adding a quart or 20% of MMO to regular oil due to the Viscosity change. and hardened valve seats became common after 72. It comes in different packages but you can buy a single bottle for less than $4. Low HP cars are doing these grades in low gears barely making 40MPH. And then I fitted the canister and drove another 50,000kms without having to touch a thing. YMMV.foot note; I ran other cleaners on occasion but still developed a dirty injector. 2/ Will Marvel Mystery Oil Reduce Oil Consumption? These little powerplants use a mixture of methanol and nitromethane. So, whats the truth? Just like the topic of using non-detergent oil. Therefore the heads are original and do not have hardened valve seats. Suddenly the valve seats started to wear away again. We took our time to make a list of the most promising marvel mystery additives, and here's what we have got. recommend the procedure. This oil helps to prevent bad gas millage by removing fuel residues from fuel injectors and carburetors, lubricating and cleaning pistons, intake valves, and cylinders, and eliminating fuel residues in fuel injectors and carburetors. That didn't bother me, sitting in back as I did, So, by doing it before the seats fail, you are just doing something ahead of time that might never need to be done, and might cause a failure in the meantime. So, whats the verdict? (100LL at 2.00 ml TEL) and you have the same 0.50 ml TEL that 80/87 Gunk lead substitute, yes or no? Someone said MMO has been out for years, what more could you want? which I adapted here with his permission. OTOH many years ago racers agreed that STP might save the engine if starved for a few seconds under high load. You are actually in error on many of your assumptions. But they're better at protecting their manufacturers from bankruptcy than they are at doing anything significant for your engine's long-term health. Marvel MM13R Mystery Oil - 32 oz. It's your money. 8 3. Many believe that when used correctly, it can do good things in your cars. Which brings up an interesting topic: yes most mass production engines under about 10:1 compression and 4" bore (see "flame propagation rates") are reasonably safe under light duty on 93 PON. Everyone must know about Mystery Oil. Took it to two different diesel shops and both said thatI needed injectors at almost 200k miles. They recommended to run a tank of leaded every seventh fillup. The TCP/Marvel Mystery Oil option: These are most likely Everyone was gonna need hardened seats installed in their heads, or need to use smog-era heads with the induction hardened seats, etc. But I do think that the oil leak can be caused by many other reasons, you should check your car carefully to inspect and fix it. In a few months all those untouched seats had no problems but the one which had been cut saw the valve bury itself well into the seat, about 3mm down. What's Customers Say About Marvel Mystery Oil. Of course, when unleaded fuel came out, there was no This Then I can tell you it definitely improves the fuel economy. It thins the oil and dilutes it. Paul the reason I said the middle 70's was because we all got concerned that the gov. WHEN I DID THIS I ALSO CLEANED OUT THE PUSH RODS AND POURED MMO IN THEM. Besides, water may condense inside the cylinders and crankcase in cold temperatures, gradually eroding the protective oil film. What fuel or additives we are talking about depends on which SBC (the 275hp 327 was a really nice Impala combo but required premium fuel). Sorry for beating a dead horse, guys. It works, and has for a long time. engine parts. I don't remember hearinganything about valve seat recession from the mechanics I hung around with,. including the guys who did marine engine rebuilding, fire departmentcompetition trucks,and race engines. I use Mobil which is considered a "Top Tier" gasoline: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-maintenance/study-shows-top-tier-gasoline-worth-extra-price/.
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